did the messiah pre-exist?
is the pre-existance teaching scriptural?
torah – Teachings
and יהוה elohim formed the man out of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of life. and the man became a living being. (The Scriptures 1998+)
1 this is the book of the genealogy of aḏam. in the day that elohim created man, he made him in the likeness of elohim.
2 male and female he created them, and he blessed them, and called their name ‘aḏam’ in the day they were created. (The Scriptures 1998+)
6 whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood is shed, for in the image of elohim has he made man. (The Scriptures 1998+)
18 on the same day יהוה made a covenant with aḇram, saying, “i have given this land to your seed, from the river of mitsrayim to the great river, the river euphrates (The Scriptures 1998+)
nevi’im – Prophets
The message of the word of יהוה against Yisra’ĕl. יהוה, stretching out the heavens, and laying the foundation of the earth, and forming the spirit of man within him, declares (The Scriptures 1998+)
Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came out of the womb I did set you apart – I appointed you a prophet to nations.” (The Scriptures 1998+)
Thus said יהוה, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me (The Scriptures 1998+)
Have we not all one Father? Did not one Ěl create us? Why do we act treacherously against one another, to profane the covenant of the fathers? (The Scriptures 1998+)
ket’vim – Wisdom Literature
139:13 – 16
13 For You, You possessed my kidneys, You have covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I give thanks to You, For I am awesomely and wondrously made! Wondrous are Your works, And my being knows it well.
15 My bones was not concealed from You, When I was shaped in a hidden place, Knit together in the depths of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my unformed body. And in Your book all of them were written, The days they were formed, While none was among them. (The Scriptures 1998+)
brit chadesha – New Covenant
6 there was a man sent from elohim, whose name was yoḥanan (The Scriptures 1998+)
as it has been written, “I have made you a father of many nations” – in the presence of him whom he believed, even elohim, who gives life to the dead and calls that which does not exist as existing (The Scriptures 1998+)
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be set-apart and blameless before him, in love (The Scriptures 1998+)
19 but with the precious blood of messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless,
20 foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, but manifested in these last times for your sake’s (The Scriptures 1998+)
and all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world (KJV)
1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with elohim, and the Word was elohim.
2 He was in the beginning with elohim.
3 all came to be through Him, and without H0im not even one came to be that came to be.
in the beginning was the divine plan/motive/thought, and the divine plan/motive/thought was with elohim, and the divine plan/motive/thought was elohim. the same (plan) was in the beginning with elohim. all things were made by it and without it was not anything made that was made.
see how the translator translate the words, Word / He and Him with capital letters, pushing us to belief that these words do reference to the messiah.
the word ‘word’ was translated from the greek word logos, and has the meaning of the following:
b) mental faculty
f) divine expression
a greek philosopher named heraclitus first used the term logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reasoning or plan which so-ordinates a changing universe
thus we have a historic precedent which shows the proper understanding of “logos” is as the “divine plan, thought, or motive” of the almighty creator.
the messiah and all off us pre-existed before the foundation of the earth was laid, because we all where part of the creators divine plan/motive/thought
14 and the divine plan became flesh and pitched his tent among us, and we saw his esteem, esteem as of an only brought-forth of a father, complete in favour and truth
56 “your father aḇraham was glad that he should see my day, and he saw it and did rejoice.”
57 the yehuḏim, therefore, said to him, “you are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen aḇraham?”
58 יהושע said to them, “truly, truly, i say to you,
before aḇraham came to be, i am